MRAs VS Feminists

Here is my take on MRAs. (Mens rights activists).I am not a member of any MRA organization and I admit that my experience of MRAs is limited so this is just my opinion. I have visited some MRM websites and have found little evidence of misogyny. Most MRAs are quite open about their contempt for feminism, as am I, but I can find little evidence of hatred of women within their movement.

I have debated with MRAs on other sites and (with one exception) I have found no evidence of animosity towards women in their responses even when women are vehemently disagreeing with them. Feminism (of which I have considerable experience) is bristling with hatred of men in general. Feminist literature, theory and activism is positively boiling with anti-male rhetoric of the most bigoted and virulent kind.

Feminists online (with a few exceptions) react with extreme hatred to anyone who disagrees with their pronouncements. Feminists generally respond to anyone who dissents from their views by first, accusing them of being abusive, then screaming insults in an attempt to silence them and finally blocking them from responding.

Everybody is familiar with their tactics, which if anything just go to prove that they have no confidence in their own arguments. If there is a little battle for hearts and minds being fought between feminists and MRAs on the internet, then the MRAs are slowly begining to gain the upper hand.

 
Try this at home. Log on to any feminist website and post a response, very politely taking issue with one of their articles. You will be called a misogynist and blocked from the thread. It is telling that MRM websites almost never employ these blocking tactics. They don’t need to because they have confidence in their own arguments.

Feminists are constantly implying that their movement represents all women. It does not. Most women are not feminists and most MRAs seem to be very aware of that. MRAs claim to represent the interests of men and boys but they do not claim that they have the support of all or even most men.

So from what I can see the differences are very clear. MRAs display contempt for feminism, not women. Feminists display contempt for men, not just MRAs. That’s the difference.

The Evil Patriarchy

You will hear feminists wherever you encounter them bleating naively about fighting to dismantle the patriarchy. To a feminist, the patriarchy is an evil system which oppressed women while at the same time privileged men. They are never able to actually back this up with any real evidence, but then feminism is an ideology. It is not a science. Ideologies are based on repeated chants and slogans. Facts just get in the way. Followers of ideologies are required to bleat like sheep to the beat of the doctrines drums. To question is blasphemy.

The patriarchy was a system which insured the survival and advancement of the species specifically through the protection of women. Though not a concept invented by feminists, it is a history that has been deliberately distorted and misrepresented by every feminist theorist you care to mention. This deliberate re-writing of history was most definitely a feminist attempt to lionize women and demonize men and it has been broadly successful.

So lets for a moment do something which feminists never do. Lets look at the facts. For most of history the people at the very top were men, which make sense in view of the fact that rulers were often required to protect their positions in combat. Before the advent of modern technology men had massive physical advantages. You can’t really blame them for that. Patriarchy did not have the power to influence human biology. The fact that the strongest rose to the top was not the result of some sinister patriarchal conspiracy; any more than the fact that most stone-masons and miners and soldiers were men and still are today. In fact it’s fair to say that while most of the tiny minority at the very top were men, the majority of those at the very bottom of the heap were also men.

There were also many absolutist female rulers throughout history and there is no evidence that they were any less patriarchal in their outlook to male ones.

Patriarchy was a system that discriminated against almost everybody. For most of human history, people were oppressed to a greater or lesser extent. Mostly it was the vast majority of poor men and women being exploited by a tiny minority of rich men and women. That’s patriarchy, and they won’t tell you this in women’s studies, but although the system discriminated against both men and women, it was women who also benefited most from it. Women were not expected to shoulder the same burdens or face the same dangers as men. Women were generally spared the worst excesses of those much harsher times because men were obliged to protect them.

It is no surprise to anyone except feminists that ordinary working-class women all over Europe opposed the concept of equal rights as proposed by groups like the suffragettes when they fist appeared. Remember that feminism took root among the most privileged women in the world first. That’s not a mystery either. Most working-class women depended upon the traditional protections offered by the patriarchy for their survival. Women did not want to go down the mines or fight in the wars or haul iron on the railways.

It’s very easy for pampered modern-day feminist “academics.” to sit in their air-conditioned offices spewing out this infantile piffle about how women were oppressed throughout history by the patriarchy. Would these same feminists have been doing this a century ago when the reality of equal rights would have meant a lifetime of back-breaking labour and a life-expectancy of about forty years? Please don’t kid yourself.

On planet feminist, men should have worked and struggled and bled and sacrificed and even died for women in return for absolutely nothing. That would have been equality according to feminists. Men shouldered all the responsibilities and did almost all the heavy lifting. They led harder shorter lives than women right throughout history. Pre-feminist women were thankfully smart enough to understand that these men were entitled to expect some respect and special consideration in return. Post feminist women are increasingly left wondering where all the good men have gone! Well done sisters.

Walk down the street outside your house. Everything you see around you was built by men. Every modern convenience that you take for granted every day was conceived of, designed, developed and built by men. Did you use a computer today? Did you use a bus or take a train or a plane? Are you using contraceptives? Did you cook dinner using an electric oven? Have you ever required hospital treatment? Do you have central heating and electric lighting and running water? ….. All invented by men. If you hear a noise at night that frightens you, you might call the police on a phone invented by men and they will arrive in a car invented by men, on roads built by men. That’s the patriarchy.

If your country is invaded by a foreign enemy, the men of your country will sign up in their hundreds of thousands to put their lives on the line to protect you. That’s the patriarchy.

So sisters. Maybe a little gratitude once in a while might be appreciated, because if it weren’t for the patriarchy we would be living in a cave, naked, cold and hungry and wishing there were some men around to hunt for food and protect us from wild animals.

Feminist Quotes.

A few quotes from feminists for anyone who still thinks that feminism is not about hatred. Remember most of those quoted below are “moderate feminists.”

Perhaps women have always been in closer contact with reality than men: it would seem to be the just recompense for being deprived of idealism
(Germaine Greer)

I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing them.
(Robin Morgan)

The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.
(Linda Gordon)

Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.
(Sheila Cronin NOW)
The real theater of the sex war is the domestic hearth
(Germaine Greer)

Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which all men keep all women in a state of fear
(Susan Brownmiller)

All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence perpetrated against a woman.
(Catherine MacKinnon)

there must be a decontamination of the Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.
(Mary Daly)

Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.” –
(Catherine Comins)

I think that testosterone is a rare poison.
(Germaine Greer)

The house wife is an unpaid employee in her husband’s house in return for the security of being a permanent employee.
(Germaine Greer)

I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s just incapable of it.
(Barbara Jordan)

Until now it has been thought that the level of testosterone in men is normal simply because they have it. But if you consider how abnormal their behavior is, then you are led to the hypothesis that almost all men are suffering from “testosterone poisoning.”
(The Feminist Dictionary Pandora Press)

Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be protected and plan towards being a family- maker is a choice that shouldn’t be.
(Vivian Gornick)

We are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men.
(Elizabeth Cady Stanton)

Women have very little idea of how much men hate them.(Germaine Greer)
MALE:…represents a variant of or deviation from the category of female. The first males were mutants…the male sex represents a degeneration and deformity of the female.
(The Feminist Dictionary Pandora Press)

Men’s sexuality is mean and violent.
(Judith Levine)

I’m a big fan of just banning MRAs. They have nothing of value to add to a conversation.
(Amanda Marcotte)

MAN:…an obsolete life form… an ordinary creature who needs to be watched…a contradictory baby-man.
(The Feminist Dictionary Pandora Press)

Marriage has existed for the benefit of men; and has been a legally sanctioned method of control over women…. We must work to destroy it. The end of the institution of marriage is a necessary condition for the liberation of women. Therefore it is important for us to encourage women to leave their husbands and not to live individually with men…. All of history must be re-written in terms of oppression of women. (The Declaration of Feminism)

I am likely to define my task as largely one of recruitment…of persuading students that women are oppressed
(Joyce Trebilcot)

There are no boundaries between affectionate sex and slavery in the male world.
(Judith Levine)

Housewives are dependent creatures who are still children – parasites.
(Gloria Steinem)

“Man’s discovery that his genitalia could serve as a weapon to generate fear must rank as one of the most important discoveries of prehistoric times.
(Susan Brownmiller)

I have a great deal of difficulty with the idea of the ideal man. As far as I’m concerned, men are the product of a damaged gene.
(Germaine Greer)

AIDS education will not get very far until young men are taught how not to rape young women.
(Naomi Wolf)

How will the family unit be destroyed? .The demand alone will throw the whole ideology of the family into question, so that women can begin establishing a community of work with each other and we can fight collectively. Women will feel freer to leave their husbands and become economically independent, either through a job or welfare.
(Roxanne Dunbar)

But remember – feminism is NOT a hate movement.

Helmut and Erika

Helmut and Erika are a young couple who live in a small German town in 1936. There is a rally on Saturday afternoon being staged by members of the local Nazi party. Helmut and Erika take their son and daughter to wave the swastika flags the children had made at school. There is a carnival atmosphere and the family enjoy a picnic. Helmut treats himself to a few beers. Erika doesn’t understand why her friend Sarah didn’t bring her family too. Erika later finds out that Sarah’s elderly parents were beaten up by some thugs wearing swastika armbands in the town later that night. She is furious. “Those people are not real Nazis,” she says. “Real Nazis just want a fair deal for the German people. Right?”

Helmut and Erika don’t hate their Jewish neighbours. Helmut and Erika have never hurt anyone and they have no desire to hurt anyone. “One of my best friends is Jewish,” Helmut assures anyone who asks. Helmut and Erika are decent hard-working people. To them the Nazis are empowering Germany. It’s just about a fair deal for Germans, isn’t it? Nazism is not about hate.

OK so some of the leading Nazis make fiery speeches glorifying violence and threatening Jews and other minorities, but that’s just showmanship right? That is not what Nazism is all about. OK so Helmut and Erika know that there are new laws which give non-Jews special advantages over Jews, but that’s just to even up the balance right? Just to make things fair. Helmut and Erika know that Jews are consistently belittled and vilified in the schools and in the media, but a little of that is only to be expected , right? After all the Jews have been privileged for thousands of years right? Anyway that will all be fixed once things settle down. Helmut and Erika believe in “moderate fascism”. They are not extremists. After all Nazism is just about a fair deal for the German people right?……….

Wrong. ….Helmut and Erika must share some of the blame for the beating of Sarah’s parents, just as they will share some of the blame for the holocaust to come. They are deliberately lying to themselves and in doing so they are lending support to a toxic hateful poison which will in the end destroy not only everything that is good and decent about their country but also themselves.

If you identify with any ideology then you must identify with the leading proponents and the core principles of that ideology. If you claim to be a feminist, then you are tacitly empowering the feminist movement in all it’s forms. If you say you are a feminist but do not condone hate, then you are lying to yourself and everybody around you.

Germaine Greer Vs a Russian Grandfather. – No Contest

“Women have very little idea of how much men hate them” – Germaine Greer.

One of the most vivid memories from my childhood is that of a near tragedy on a frozen lake when I was about seven years old. It was February in my home town near the outskirts of Rostov on Don. The town was blanketed in snow which had built up in huge banks against the gable ends of the houses. People wearing crampons on their boots rushed hurriedly about their business in their thick winter coats, the ear flaps of their traditional ushankas pulled down against the biting cold. I was walking home from school with my grandfather who held my mittened hand in his as he stopped to exchange brief pleasantries with people we met along our way. The warm glow from the windows of the various cafe’s and bakeries on the main street was irresistibly inviting and the smell of fresh confectionary wafting from the door-ways was making my mouth water.

Grandfather was determined to get us home though. A fresh blizzard was blowing in from the open steppe and he was determined that we would be sitting in front of the huge log-burning stove in my parents house, with our bellies full of warm stew before it arrived.

We could see skaters on the frozen lake a few hundred yards from the street. As we turned off the main street there was no sound except the crunching of our boots in the snow. A scream broke the silence and we instinctively looked towards the lake. It looked like two skaters had fallen through the ice. Grandfather let go of my hand immediately and began running towards the lake. It never failed to amaze me how fast he could move considering he had lost a foot in the war. I followed Grandfather as quickly as I could, but we were beaten to the lake shore by a group of young soldiers who were already crawling on their bellies across the ice, in single file towards the two women flailing around in the freezing water.

The soldiers were joined by some other men who had rushed out of one of the cafe’s. They brought some ladders to lay out on the ice to spread the weight of the rescuers. The women were pulled to safety and dragged bodily to the shore, passed from one man to the next until they were safely on the bank. The women, a mother and daughter were wrapped in blankets, fed hot soup and bundled into a truck to take them to hospital just in case.

I remember standing beside my Grandfather watching with my heart in my mouth as the last of the young men crawled tentatively back across the ice. I remember willing him on, terrified that another crack in the ice would send him plunging to his death. Snow was blowing sideways across the lake now. The blizzard had begun and it was difficult to see. I remember watching his comrades forming a chain of their bodies to reach him and I remember the loud cheer as they finally brought him to safety.

The crowd dispersed. The soldiers and the other men drifted back into the cafes to resume their meals and a short while later, Grandfather and I were sitting with my parents, toasting ourselves in front of the big stove. Grandfather began telling stories of the war; tales of stoic endurance, boundless determination and heroic deeds. He always admonished me to remember that the bounties of my comfortable childhood had been paid for by all those men who had never returned home. My brother had once asked him why he had fought for Stalin. “Oh no” my Grandfather replied. “We didn’t fight for Stalin. We fought for the women and children of Russia.”

Grandfather left early that night and trudged back through the town, braving one of the famous white storms, to reach the hospital where his wife, my Grandmother, was recuperating from a painful operation on her eyes. He would sit and read to her through the night as she drifted in and out of sleep, until finally he would be driven from the clinic by a stern nurse telling him to go and get some rest.

I have seen many acts of incredible bravery on the news. The men who didn’t hesitate to run into the underground infernos to drag people from the wreckage during the awful metro bombings in Moscow, the men who stormed an aircraft in Perm when hijackers threatened to shoot hostages, the men who threw themselves into the icy waters of the Volga to rescue people from a sinking ferry.

I know that the courage and determination I witnessed that day is not a Russian characteristic. It is a strength that is shared by the men of other nations too. I also remember the young French Gendarme throwing himself into a raging river to rescue an elderly couple from a car; the unarmed men who chased down and subdued a deranged gunman in a Spanish cinema; a couple of young Irishmen who rushed into a burning chemical factory to pull injured workers to safety; American men who did not question the danger in their determination to rescue as many people as possible during the terrorist attacks on New York; British men who similarly put their lives on the line for others in London.

Whenever there is an earthquake, an avalanche, a tsunami or a hurricane, it is the men of any nation who will instinctively rush to help. It is the men who will put their own lives on the line if they have to, to save others. When the crisis is over, it is the men who will clear roads, repair bridges, restore power lines and begin to re-build. I often wonder if Germaine Greer has ever done anything even remotely as valuable as the men she has spent her life ridiculing.

But there are also the ordinary heroes. Billions of men who work hard and often dangerous jobs in order to support women and children, and in order to keep women and children safe and housed and fed.

So Germaine Greer can spew her infantile paranoia as much as she likes. She can convince herself and other gullible women that the world doesn’t need these masculine qualities, but she is deluding herself. Our civilization was built by men. Our communities are maintained by men. We are kept safe by men. Wouldn’t it be nice if feminists could stop ridiculing them and maybe even express some gratitude to the men of the world from time to time?

Men are our fathers and grandfathers, our brothers and sons, our friends and colleagues. It is their masculine qualities that make them what they are. Men are the builders and inventors, the explorers and defenders, the pioneers and the discoverers. We need men, and if Germaine Greer and her fellow feminists don’t care about the damage they are doing to men, maybe they should think about the equal amount of damage that they are doing to women.

Greer misses the point completely. Men do not hate women. Men treasure women and children more than anything else. The “patriarchy” Greer rages against has always been designed first and foremost to keep women and children safe. Feminists should think seriously about their constant belittling of masculinity because men do take that attitude on board and if men begin to show the same contempt for women as feminists show for men, then we women are going to be in a lot of trouble. In western nations now there is definitely a hardening of attitudes among men towards women in general. Decades of feminism has taught men that women have nothing but contempt for them. They are beginning to wake up. Feminists who say they want gender equality should be very very careful what they wish for.

So now I am grown up and I live in a different country. But whenever I hear some half-witted feminist denigrating men in general, my first thought is always of that brave young man, who risked his life to save two strange women, long ago in the depths of a frozen Russian winter.

Our Grandparents were “Slaves” and “Oppressors”

I was recently told in a debate by feminists that all my male descendants were “slave owners” and that all my female descendants were “oppressed”. I don’t believe that.

My Grandmother was sixteen when the Nazis came to our country and she volunteered to carry ammunition and food for soldiers in the front. She was almost killed several times. Later she served as a communications officer for anti-aircraft. After the war she went back to college and finished her studies to become a psychologist doctor. She worked in various hospitals during the 50’s and 60’s treating the mental trauma of soldiers from the war.

She cared deeply for the suffering of our young soldiers and told us stories of them right into her old age. She met her husband, a medical doctor and they finally set up a practice together in my home city Rostov on Don. My Grandfather was also a war veteran, a tank-man who lost his foot in the offensive before Berlin. He was a brave and gentle man who we adored as kids. He taught me and my brothers to fish and sail and play the violin. My Grandmother taught us piano and French and a love for literature. They lived a long happy life together and raised three children including my Father.

When we were kids and my parents were still both working, we would go after school to our Grandparents house to wait for my parents. They would feed us dinner and Grandpa would tell us exciting stories about the war in which he usually ended up defeating the Nazis single handed! He would point his walking stick like a gun at us and order us to surrender. We would do nasty faces and pretend to be Nazis. My Grandmother would finally come in and say, Yes and I’m Marshal Zhuckov and I say I need some help in the kitchen.

She was a wonderful smart, brave talented woman who was loved by the whole family. She was a fountain of knowledge and teaching and quiet strength. She was worth a thousand vulgar whining feminists.

When I hear feminists, with no knowledge of history saying that women like her were “oppressed” and that my Grandfather was a “slave owner”; when they insult these wonderful people who helped to raise me and all the other Grandmothers and Grandfathers all over the world, it makes my blood cold. Do they also insult their own Grandparents? How dare they? What is wrong with them?

Anyway sorry for rambling but I am feeling strongly about this right now because I have just returned two weeks ago from her funeral in Rostov.

I hope to have my own children soon and if I am to have a son I will name him Sergei like his Grandfather, if a daughter I will name her Nadezhda for my Grandmother. I hope their Irish Grandparents will be as kind to them as my Russian ones were to me, and you know I think they will.

13 Feminists and a Light Bulb

This is just a joke I found on another site. I don’t remember who wrote it but whoever it was, thanks for the laugh and I hope you don’t mind me copying it here.

How many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb?
Answer: 13.

One to screw it in the bulb.
One to blame men for inventing such a faulty means of illumination.One to suggest the whole “screwing in” is a bit too “rapey-like”.One to deconstruct the lightbulb itself as being an intimidating phallic symbol.
One to console anyone who feels “triggered” by the changing of the bulb.One to blame the patriarchy for discouraging women from changing light bulbs.One to blame men for creating a society where women need to change light bulbs.One to advocate that lightbulb changers should have wage parity with electricians.One to alert the media that women are now “out-lightbulbing” men.One to record the event for her blog as evidence that men are unnecessary.
One to make sure nobody says anything “inappropriate” during the changing of the bulb.
One to make sure everybody “feels empowered” by the changing of the bulb.
One to form a support group for survivors of darkness!